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 Rank: Bench warmer
Joined: 5/30/2008 Posts: 63 Location: Middle of Nowhere, IA
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Has anyone noticed how out of whack the stats are on the "official" site http://www.dmahc.com/? I mean, I have the right number of goals, but they are not necessarily with the right games. They took down Cup's roster with the new jersey numbers, but that has not been updated either. I assume Alien is the same way... Seems like yet another "promise" being broken by the league. Kind of like only having one ref for the Cup 11-7 game last week. She did her best, but couldn't drop the puck in the face off circle let alone keep up with the play. I mean, I felt bad for her to have to work so hard, but I remember signing a paper guaranteeing two refs for every game... Also, at the last captains' meeting, it was decided that no new players would be added. Why does 11-7 have a new player who should be in C league? He's a nice kid and all, but should the first place team be allowed a C league quality player this far in after the decision was made? It's not about our last place standing and losing record; it's about fairness and what the league decided and declared. If an alternative league decides to pop up, I'm sure that there will be takers. A little competition should help create a better adult recreational hockey experience overall. It seems the MISF needs a little nudge to stay on top of this whole adult league thing...
Hockey is love. Lacrosse is passion.
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Rank: Rookie
Joined: 7/14/2008 Posts: 7 Location: Des Moines
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I agree 100% with the stats issue. I contacted the arena several times in regards to this however it never seems to be changed. At one point in the season they gave our win to another team. After about 3 weeks of emails they got it fixed. I know for a fact my teammates and I do not have all the points we have earned this season.
One ref was a joke in our game and unfortunately it is not the first time it has happened this year. Two goals for 11-7 went in that were called off. With more than one ref this surely wouldn’t happen. With a single ref and a dishonest goalie im just happy we won that game.
In regards to our new player I don’t think its fair to single him out as not being allowed in our league. There were plenty of guys / ladies that could have opted to move up and probably should have. I remember last session Cup was given Gopher Socks, he was clearly a C level player but nobody complained when he would fly by us all for the easy goal. We just loved to play the game. You said its not about your last place standing or losing record however I think if you were in first we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Or, given your current standing if the new player was added on your team we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Either way, its not as if a skills test was given to determine a new players ability.
If your case is “why did they let a new player in the league” that is ok, I can agree with that 100% since the decision was made to no longer allow new players in at this point in the season however, since a new player was brought in, his skills should be left out of the conversation. Good or bad, the league still made a bad decision.
I would also be willing to play at a new arena should some competition arise…
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 Rank: Administration
Joined: 4/22/2008 Posts: 83 Location: In the crease
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This season is definitely a far cry from what it was when Joe was running things. The rink managers don't care about the league, only their money. Joe was concerned to make the game as fun as possible. I remember them having evaluations of players and having a "draft" to make the teams as fair as possible. The rink doesn't care about that. I don't care about the skill levels because it makes me as a goalie have to perform at a higher level, but I can understand the frustration of a more advanced player playing in a novice league.
The rink has broken so many promises to us. The stats are a joke. It took me 6 e-mails to get one of my stats changed when a sub had 9 goals scored on him while I was gone and it went to me. At least when I was putting stats up, I tried to fix errors as soon as possible.
The rink doesn't care about the players or the game of hockey, all they care about is getting their money.
Even if I had to pay more money, I would gladly play in a different league that had no affiliations with MISF.
QCI - Goalie #42 Killer Tomatoes - Mid-season Aquisition Chops League - Skater
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 Rank: Bench warmer
Joined: 5/13/2008 Posts: 53 Location: driving Iowa county roads
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A big part of Joe doing such a good job was that he was basically a facilitator and organizer, working to help the captains implement the ideas we had, many or most which came from the players on our team. Although Joe was at the top of the pyramid, it was really the people playing in the league who were running the league. Huge difference between that and the "I own the rink!!" attitude.
It's a short time livin' and a long time in the ground.
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 Rank: Bench warmer
Joined: 5/30/2008 Posts: 63 Location: Middle of Nowhere, IA
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Juice, I'll concede your point on his quality being a non issue. For the record, I also agree about "Gopher Socks" being too good and I'll add Kristin (the girl in the blue helmet) to that list. Having gone from last season's last place team to this season's last place team, I feel comfortable in my statement about Cup being in last not mattering. I agree 100% that at least one of those goals should have counted and that Cup's goalie may have made a dishonest statement when he got the first called off. As far as the ice quality, I've had friends in town that could not believe how crappy the surface is on a regular basis. Some of those toe pick holes can swallow freaking pucks. The ref warned us about a couple of dangerous spots near the "home" net last week. Basically avoid them or be ready to tuck and roll. At what point does it become a safety issue? Had Joe continued to run the league or had the league continued to run in his style, these issues may not have come up. Maybe we should have tried out/drafted to create balance; I don’t know. Matt suggested it a captain’s meeting and the reps for 11-7 and B&B scoffed. Natalia was indifferent. Having been at most if not all of the meetings, I can tell you that certain players on certain teams don’t rally care about the “fun” part as much as they care about winning big. The scary part is that many of them that spring to mind are hockey dads and kids’ coaches. It’s likely that had the leagues continued under Joe, one of two things would have happened. 1. Several players, myself probably included, would have had to move up to C and be the lower level players there. 2. Rated players would have been assigned to teams to create a sense of balance. Did that work last season? Kind of. B&B’s players were rated the same as everybody else’s and then random people were assigned to teams. We ended up with one win. Several of the players choosing to dominate now pissed and moaned then, but the rest of us recognized the nature of sports. Of course there were very few huge losses. I will admit I stayed in D mostly to play with Cup as I have friends on that team. But I also stayed in D to teach new players and work with them. My concern is having fun and getting new players involved; winning is secondary. I know this is the world’s longest post, but one more thing. It’s a question I pose to every player who chose to stay in D league: Did you choose to stay down to improve your play as a whole or to dominate weaker teams/players?
Hockey is love. Lacrosse is passion.
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 Rank: Rookie
Joined: 6/18/2008 Posts: 4 Location: Des Moines
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I just want to play... :) if not during this session, this fall.... would prefer to play somewhere where it is going to be competitive, yet I don't want to have to deal with no Refs and all that... sounds like it was a good thing I didn't start this session like I had hoped to, since the rink is doing such a poor job of running things.... hopefully something comes up elsewhere.....
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 Rank: Bench warmer
Joined: 5/13/2008 Posts: 53 Location: driving Iowa county roads
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I guess we should quit bitching. Joe spoiled us. As bad as it is in comparison, I've seen and been involved with a lot of leagues that on their best day were a lot worse than our current situation. We're complaining a lot about how it sucks, but it's a hell of a lot better than not playing at all. It's definitely better than softball.
It's a short time livin' and a long time in the ground.
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 Rank: Bench warmer
Joined: 5/30/2008 Posts: 63 Location: Middle of Nowhere, IA
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Teal wrote:I guess we should quit bitching. Joe spoiled us. As bad as it is in comparison, I've seen and been involved with a lot of leagues that on their best day were a lot worse than our current situation. We're complaining a lot about how it sucks, but it's a hell of a lot better than not playing at all. It's definitely better than softball. What isn't better than softball? The most overrated piece of crap excuse for a sport ever made. I would love to see lacrosse come about in DM. If a men's lax league was an option, I'd hang up my skates for the summer...
Hockey is love. Lacrosse is passion.
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 Rank: Bench warmer
Joined: 5/30/2008 Posts: 63 Location: Middle of Nowhere, IA
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So, does anyone else remember Tim's great promises of stats being updated with 24 hours? Why aren't the scores updated from Thursday night? It was great on Thursday night as game time and we were still waiting for refs and a scorekeeper. At least they finally showed up. Now someone just needs to teach a couple of them to DROP and not THROW the puck onto the face off circle. Seriously, a couple of them were behind me before they hit the ice or a stick...
Hockey is love. Lacrosse is passion.
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 Rank: Administration
Joined: 4/22/2008 Posts: 83 Location: In the crease
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I just came across my notes from the captains meeting at the beginning of the season and had forgotten that the rink was supposed to be doing players of the week/month. Yet another promise that never happened.
QCI - Goalie #42 Killer Tomatoes - Mid-season Aquisition Chops League - Skater
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 Rank: Bench warmer
Joined: 5/30/2008 Posts: 63 Location: Middle of Nowhere, IA
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I forgot about that! They finally updated last week's score yesterday. Surprise, surprise, the stats aren't right. One of our players did not get his goal credited, so the boxscore doesn't equal the official final score. None of the assists are credited. The current rosters are not out there including Alien & Cup's new jerseys and neither are any of the players added to the rosters for every team since the season started. I know they have this info b/c on the first night of new jerseys they took it again. There's another broken promise! The scorekeeper and/or ref was supposed to verify rosters before every game. This was to prevent illegal subs. I think our roster was checked before hte first game and before the first game in new jerseys. Of course no IDs were checked or anything. A spouse/girlfriend on another D-league team also told my wife that a player was on vacation and a sub was playing in his jersey. We did not play them that night and she may have been confused, but with the way the league has gone, I would not be surprised...
Hockey is love. Lacrosse is passion.
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Rank: Rookie
Joined: 6/6/2008 Posts: 7 Location: West Des Moines
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I guess I just dont get it... yeah, the staff at the rink is difficult, but why do you really give a shit if your assists are published accuratly to a website? I guess maybe I just dont care about that because "I CANT SCORE". Now things like the scoreboard, the filth, the attitudes are something to gripe about... but stats???
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 Rank: Bench warmer
Joined: 5/30/2008 Posts: 63 Location: Middle of Nowhere, IA
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On a personal level, I could care less about the stats. In this case, the stats merely represent another promise the league/rink fails to deliver on. Assists and goals aren't really that important. It's having accurate rosters and scores online that is the bigger issue here. When new people are playing all of a sudden, it makes the opposing teams scratch their heads. It would be nice to know who should be playing on which team. Its their job to notify captains of changes and to verify rosters before the games. Some of us like to know which teams are winning games and whatnot. Anal retentive people (like me) wonder why the stats and scores don't match - regardless of which player scored and who assisted. It demonstrates their lack of committment and follow through. I agree that the filth and scoreboard are huge issues. Even to take a leak there, I feel like I need a tetnis shot afterwards. I'm just waiting for a new strain of staph to hit the entire adult league...
Hockey is love. Lacrosse is passion.
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 Rank: Administration
Joined: 4/22/2008 Posts: 83 Location: In the crease
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Exactly, the stats don't really matter. Though it is fun to compare with your friends/teammates. Its the fact that they promised accurate and timely stats and it hasn't happened. It just shows that they really don't care about the players enough to even spend the time to update it accurately. Earlier this season, I e-mailed the rink "manager" and it took 5 e-mails to get things changed. It is rediculous.
QCI - Goalie #42 Killer Tomatoes - Mid-season Aquisition Chops League - Skater
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